Carl Wunsch Dismisses Channel 4 Fiction

Take a scientist's findings, but replace their conclusion with your own. Suppress that scientist's own conclusion. Your view gains the (perceived) endorsement of that scientist, without having to bother with the fineries of the scientist's own understanding of this work. Use the concept of "complexity" to rubbish (a misleading stereotype of) your "opponent's" views, then ignore complexity when you put forward your own. It may not be illegal, but it definitely is unethical and will likely garner channel 4 its second reprimand courtesy of Durkin.

For the record, Wunsch's own position appears to that, while the science is indeed complex, there's very good evidence for an anthropogenic component to GW, and the precautionary principle should apply. But why don't we do something radical and trust the man's own words:

at bottom, it is very difficult to separate human induced change from natural change, certainly not with the confidence we all seek. In these circumstances, it is essential to remember that the inability to prove human-induced change is not the same thing as a demonstration of its absence. It is probably true that most scientists would assign a very high probability that human-induced change is already strongly present in the climate system, while at the same time agreeing that clear-cut proof is not now available and may not be available for a long-time to come, if ever. Public policy has to be made on the basis of probabilities, not firm proof.

Incidently, Johan, ZOG et al: this statement sums up quite nicely the line I and many of my science-denying buddies take on the climate issue. Now that you know, you can stop telling me that I think the world is going to end tomorrow, or that I'm following dogma, or whatever little lies you use to perpetuate your own negatively-defined beliefs.

If Wunsch is so easily "tricked", one has to wonder what else he has been duped into believing?

Here is verbatim what Wunsch said in the documentary. Please explain how it would even be possible to take these statements out of context:

Professor Wunsch:
25:43 The ocean is the major reservoir into which carbon dioxide goes when it comes out of the atmosphere or to from which it is re-emitted to the the atmosphere. If you heat the surface of the ocean, it tends to emit carbon dioxide. Similarly, if you cool the ocean surface, the ocean can dissolve more carbon dioxide.

Professor Wunsch:
26:44 - The ocean has a memory of past events ugh running out as far as 10,000 years. So for example, if somebody says oh I'm seeing changes in the North Atlantic, this must mean that the climate system is changing, it may only mean that something happened in a remote part of the ocean decades or hundreds of years ago who's effects are now beginning to show up in the North Atlantic.

Professor Wunsch:
49:22 - The models are so complicated, you can often adjust them is such a way that they do something very exciting.

Professor Wunsch:
50:46 - Even within the scientific community you see, it's a problem.
If I run a complicated model and I do something to it like ugh melt a lot of ice into the ocean and nothing happens, ugh it's not likely to get printed. But if I run the same model, and I adjust it in such a way that something dramatic happens to the ocean circulation like the heat transport turns off, ugh it will be published. People will say this is very exciting. It will even get picked by the media. So there is a bias, there's is a very powerful bias within the media, and within the science community itself, toward results which are ugh dramatizable. If Earth freezes over, that's a much more interesting story than saying well you know it ugh fluctuates around, sometimes the mass flux goes up by 10%, sometimes it goes down by 20%, but eventually it comes back. Well you know, which would you do a story on? That's what it's about.

His words speak for themselves. What else could they possibly mean? Of course, now he claims to have been "tricked" -- having been hoisted on his own petard.

If you read this article the conclusion you come too is very different to the main Wikipedia Article:

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article2359057.ece

What Carl Wunsch says, in my opinion, is that there is universal truth to this issue.

Well that's what the documentary is out to prove too and people should be given both sides of the story and choose for themselves. It tries to show that environmental fanatics are the 21th Century religion. Like a religion it rejects any other scientific proof that they might be wrong. In a lot of instances, they "preach the word" by lying, distorting the truth, exaggerating and calling anyone who does not agree with them: Heretics!

Uninformed people then join them in spreading this "Convenient Lie"...

The documentary DOES not deny there is a problem, but rather that the way it is being debated by the fanatics is definitely not scientific.

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