Three years ago, 29 miners died at the Massey Energy Upper Big Branch mine. It was the worst mining disaster in decades, caused by a methane-fueled blast that was so strong it killed miners more than a mile away and left steel rail lines tangled.
Appalachia has seen its share of these sorts of accidents over the years and normally companies get fined, but mine operators almost never face criminal charges. This time was different.
For the past two years, the U.S. Attorney in West Virginia, R....
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A few questions
I don't see why you demonize the oil companies becaues they've given money to promote global warming also. For example, Exxon Mobile gave tons of money to a Stanford research group to promote global warming. Furthermore, global warming promoters have much better funding than skeptics from the government. Promoters receive around 2 billion while skeptics receive about 2 million per year. Regarding Lord Monckton, if your so sure he's just some idiot and is lying, why not debate him? I know that Monckton is always up for a debate, along with some others but nobody wants to take the challenge.
Cookie-cutter 'skeptic' talking points at work
shooshmon, it's a good idea to actually _read_ Brendan's blog entry and respond to what it actually says, instead of merely looking for keywords and then throwing out cookie-cutter talking points based on the keywords.
For one thing, the blog entry doesn't even mention ExxonMobil.
-- bi, http://frankbi.wordpress.com/
Change the Mission Statement
You know what Franky, I'm new to the site and I think both sides have reasonable arguments. For instance, I believe that every molecule of CO2 emits infrared. But I also believe that it escapes to outerspace faster than some people think, I believe that clouds cause a negative feedback(or else I think the temperature would fluctuate on a crazy level). So basically I think that the CO2 is a very minor role player. I'm just saying you should not demonize entities like oil companies, media and government because they help your cause much more than they help skeptics of your theory.
you can try reasoning with
you can try reasoning with Franky if you want, but he's in it to win it. he's a no compromise, shoot and ask questions later kind of guy. By saying CO2 is a minor player, I am afraid you have placed yourself on the wrong side of FB. Prepare to be shot down.
No one wants to
take up the challenge because "debating" a demonstrated liar is a fools errand.
Learned that the hard way ...
Another Question
Richard I know who you are, I've seen the debate on youtube in which you "learned that the hard way". I don't care about though I think your a very good scientist. I've read on Spencer's site that it takes 5yrs of our emissions to add 1 molecule of CO2 to 100,000 molecules of atmosphere. I'm confused because I feel like as we add more CO2, a molecule could be added more quickly to the atmosphere. Could you comment on this?
"Richard I know who you are,"
I remember hearing the actual
I remember hearing the actual debate on my car radio. It was quite disappointing. Monckton came out attacking the funding of desmog and it went downhill from there. Nobody won.
Owned
On the other hand, Richard, if Monckton can pass himself off as a climate scientist . . .
Can the rate be increased?
Yeah whoops I thought you were someone else. But you didn't really answer my question. The whole premise of the question is whether or not we can add huge amounts as co2 emissions increase. Or is the relationship between Co2 and the atmosphere truly logarithmic?
It's hard to be completely
It's hard to be completely anti-coal when you consider what a wealth machine coal has been historically. It's provided a good life to countless people and so it's going to be a long good bye.
RickJames the anti-Oracle
Coal provided a good life to _whom_ exactly? Christopher Monckton the nobleman? People who drink polluted water? Cardboard 'poor people in Africa' who care more about the cost of electricity than whether they can even get their next meal?
Wait, aren't you the same RickJames who said that the Bonner and Associates scandal isn't getting traction in the major media, _and_ that the attention given to it is indicative of a massive anti-Obama uprising? ( http://tinyurl.com/lkqstb )
I think you're on your way to becoming an anti-Oracle -- whenever you say something, we can be confident that it'll be false.
-- bi, http://frankbi.wordpress.com/
Let me break it down a little
Let me break it down a little Frank
railroads running on coal resulted in a good life for at least half the planet - those railroad cars brought stuff - wealth
power plants running on coal resulted in cheap power and thus money to spend elsewhere - hence a good life for at least half the US.
"many" doesn't mean "all" - but it does mean a lot - including you - without a doubt.
HOHOHO Merry Christmas!
Coal has been good for whom exactly? Could it be the whole world? I think so, ho ho ho! We need coal, oil and natural gas for everything. You can't legislate theoretical energy. If people were serious about cutting fuel consumption, they would promote motorcycles.
Go away, talking point troll
A talking-point troll disguised as Santa Claus is still a troll.
Come back when you have more to offer than cookie-cutter 'skeptic' talking points.
-- bi, http://frankbi.wordpress.com/
I don't thnk you can say that
I don't thnk you can say that motorcycle promotion fits in with regular talking points - it's new to me anyway
Frosty The Coalman
shooshmon the coal TROLL
The ACCCE videos 'Frosty The Coalman' showed the deceitful campaign used by the coal liars.
There is no Reason
There is no reason to comment on the story. It's about another meeting with conservatives, who cares. Oh no! Verizon Wireless is supporting Sean Hannity and Lord Monckton, oh no! Lets pretend for a minute that a natural force could cause the artic to melt. What in the hell are we gonna do about it? Are we gonna put snow machines out there? I just don't see what peoples expectations are. And then some guy says "well no debate because Monckton is just a liar". Well thats great then! All the more reason some1 here ought to debate him and show the world he is lying.
Where can I find more details
Where can I find more details on this story.