Nature's Offer: Choose Between Two Meltdowns

Sun, 2008-11-30 06:59Ross Gelbspan
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Nature's Offer: Choose Between Two Meltdowns

The cost of efforts to avoid dangerous global warming may be 170 percent higher than 2007 estimates, a report for the UN’s climate agency said. The report comes four days before the UN leads a fresh round of talks in Poland to agree a successor to the Kyoto Protocol in ongoing negotiations marred by squabbles over who should bear the cost of fighting climate change.

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(1) POZNAN CLIMATE TALKS ENDANGERED BY GLOBAL CRISIS
Softpedia News, 28 November 2008

(2) UN: COST OF CLIMATE POLICY TO BECOME ASTRONOMICAL
APF, 29 November 2008

"The report, to be presented at the December 1-12 conference in Poznan, Poland updates 2007 estimates that said investment to mitigate carbon emissions had to be ramped up in the coming years, reaching between 200-210 billion dollars annually in 2030."

(3) U.S. DEMOCRATS DEADLOCKED OVER COST OF CLIMATE POLICY?
CNN, 28 November 2008

(4) CANADA: ECONOMIC STABILITY TAKES PRIORITY OVER ENVIRONMENT
Calgary Herald, 28 November 2008

(5) POLES NOT CONCERNED ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING
Polish Radio, 29 November 2008

(6) GREEN TAX IS THE END OF LOW-COST FLYING
The Times, 29 November 2008

(7) GLACIERS IN NORWAY GROWING AGAIN
Daily Tech, 29 November 2008

(8) EMISSIONS TRADING MAY BE DOOMED TO FAILURE
The Sunday Times, 30 November 2008

(9) OPINION: A CRITIQUE OF BARACK OBAMA’S CLIMATE POLICY
The Sunday Telegraph, 30 November 2008

Wakefield, you are distributing lies again. If you were skeptical and you claim you would have checked what real scientists had to say on the subject.

Here is what the Norwegian scientists have to say:

http://www.nve.no/modules/module_109/publisher_view_product.asp?iEntityId=1617

"Results 2008

Thirty-two glaciers were measured in 2008, eight glaciers in North-Norway, and twenty-four glaciers in South-Norway. Twenty-four glaciers retreated. ...........

Results 2007

Twenty-eight glaciers were measured in 2007, seven glaciers in North-Norway, and twenty-one glaciers in South-Norway. Twenty-four glaciers retreated....

Results 2006

Twenty-eight glaciers were measured, four in North-Norway and 24 glaciers in South-Norway. Twenty-six glaciers retreated".

Why do you rely on denier web sites for your information when they have been shown time after time to be just so much junk?

Then go tell Daily Tech they are lying.

 

GLACIERS IN NORWAY GROWING AGAIN

Daily Tech, 29 November 2008
http://www.dailytech.com/Glaciers+in+Norway+Growing+Again/article13540.htm

After years of decline, glaciers in Norway are again growing, reports the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE). The actual magnitude of the growth, which appears to have begun over the last two years, has not yet been quantified, says NVE Senior Engineer Hallgeir Elvehøy.

The flow rate of many glaciers has also declined. Glacier flow ultimately acts to reduce accumulation, as the ice moves to lower, warmer elevations.

The original trend had been fairly rapid decline since the year 2000. 

The developments were originally reported by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (NRK).

DailyTech has previously reported on the growth in Alaskan glaciers, reversing a 250-year trend of loss. Some glaciers in Canada, California, and New Zealand are also growing, as the result of both colder temperatures and increased snowfall.

Ed Josberger, a glaciologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, says the growth is "a bit of an anomaly", but not to be unexpected.

Despite the recent growth, most glaciers in the nation are still smaller than they were in 1982. However, Elvehøy says that the glaciers were even smaller during the 'Medieval Warm Period' of the Viking Era, prior to around the year 1350.
Not all Norwegian glaciers appear to be affected, most notably those in the Jotenheimen region of Southern Norway.

You claim to be a skeptic but swallow junk from denier web sites hook, line and stinker.

You prove over and over again that you know nothing about science.

You are both ignorant of the real world and dishonest. You get more and more pathetic with your every post.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/30/do3010.xml

President-elect Barack Obama proposes economic suicide for US
By Christopher Booker
Last Updated: 11:01pm GMT 29/11/2008

If the holder of the most powerful office in the world proposed a policy guaranteed to inflict untold damage on his own country and many others, on the basis of claims so demonstrably fallacious that they amount to a string of self-deluding lies, we might well be concerned. The relevance of this is not to President Bush, as some might imagine, but to a recent policy statement by President-elect Obama.

Check out this piece on Booker:

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/11/more_on_booker.php

I guess you dishonest and ignorant deniers have to support one an other since anyone who is intelligent and honest knows to disregard anything and everything you say or write about.

Once again you show very clearly that you are a denier troll.

You mean untold damage like banking meltdown from de-regulation and blind eye "oversight"? Or do you mean untold damage by blind eye spouting of PR BS in the face of arctic meltdown? You do us all a favour sir by daily proving you and your faith based compatriots are legless.

Well, if they were ground zero for the subprime loans, then it only makes sense they are still paying the price. I feel for the poor teller or office worker who had nothing to do with the bad loans and lost their job, but the industry as a whole created this mess and will have to suffer the results of this diaster.

I also gotta blame people who got greedy about buying what they couldn’t afford, didn’t bother to read the fine print (who does? I do, when it involves 500k of my money) or live in lala land.

Being sensible people, we have got ahead in this market, refi’ing loans on two other properties and buying a foreclosed home for at least 100k under market. Be patient, be smart w/your money, and you can get ahead.

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A study published by Geophysical Research Letters sheds new light on the connection between California's epic drought and human-induced climate change.

The study carries the decidedly wonky title, “Probable causes of the abnormal ridge accompanying the 2013-14 California drought: ENSO precursor and anthropogenic warming footprint.”

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